Comments for Thiefhunters in Paradise http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters Pickpockets, Con Artists, Gangsters, Thieves, and Travel Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:34:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 Comment on Hotel Oddity #48. Shangri-la tea by yelm http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/hotel-oddity-48-shangri-la-tea/#comment-100803 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:34:11 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6607#comment-100803 Ah, how perfectly lovely.

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Comment on Romanian beggars by Bob Arno http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/romanian-beggars/#comment-99129 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:12:25 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6481#comment-99129 Hi Olav,

I am not going to dispute any of your comments in your reply. Since our speciality is not Roma and how they live and interact in different countries across Europe. Our specialty is street crime, credit card fraud, and travel security. However, we do communicate intimately with many law enforcement agencies all across Europe and the Roma subject often pops up when researching pickpocketing and small time con games (like in Paris).

What is an absolute fact is that pickpocketing in Central Europe has many pickpockets from Roma background. That is indisputable. But you are equally right, that there is no evidence of the Roma visitors (or as you call them European migrants) doing pickpocketing in Sweden. And we do not say in this post that they are criminals. What we do suspect — strongly — is that this is a highly organized trade, with some suport of criminal behavior back home in Romania by the sponsors or organizers. Of course you can also say that berry pickers in the summer are organized and that the organizers of those people are just as immoral. The problem with organized begging is that it is not what it appears to be. It is deceptive, in or on many levels.

You quote Expressen, a Swedish evening newspaper as your support. I read that article and I think I can pick holes in practically every paragraph of justified logic — that there is no evidence of trafficking and organized begging. A few weeks later, a far more respected newspaper with better budgets for their research published a different article debunking the Expresson story and proving, as far as I can read it, unless every person interviewed were lying, that begging in Sweden is organized and run by pretty ruthless overseers. See the link here to Dagens Nyheter http://www.dn.se/sthlm/sa-tvingar-de-tiggarna-att-betala/ October 4, 2014, with the headline “This is how they force the beggars to pay.” But is it criminal? Probably not, just deceptive.

Is there a moral solution or ethical bottom line to all this? That’s for Sweden to conclude and agree upon. It comes back to EU and political opinion.

You are strong in your judgement about the Swedish police, the police in Romania. Are Swedes “thick” when it comes to travel scams and con games performed by visiting criminals? That is a different article. I would say that Swedes are suspicious, just as much as the rest of Europe but far less experienced in these matter, and therefore gullible. Would Swedes give as much to the beggars if they knew that they have to pay for there “spots?”

Bottom line thoughts after reading your comments, I truly don’t think we are spreading misinformation. We have many sources for our own work. Paul J. Polansky was a personal friend some years ago and offering us a great understanding of their plight for centuries. My own brother had a “sambo” for over ten years who was Central European Roma. Both offering counter points, but we have deep roots in other agencies today across Europe with different agendas – law and order. We really don’t want our blog to be a forum for back-and-forth opinions about this very sensitive and emotional issue, how to respect the Roma people (better). So I doubt I will continue to address viewpoints on begging in Sweden. Let the Swedes do that. As you have.
Bob Arno

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Comment on Romanian beggars by Bambi Vincent http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/romanian-beggars/#comment-99128 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:08:09 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6481#comment-99128 Hej Olav, thanks so much for writing (politely). I appreciate your opposing viewpoint and find the entire Roma dilemma fascinating. You should know that this article was written by me, Bambi, not by Bob Arno. It’s true though, that we conduct our research together and often agree on the conclusions we come to and the gaping holes in our knowledge.

Bob will reply shortly, more thoroughly. Thank you for writing.

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Comment on How a stolen credit card number makes cash for a fraudster by Joe Hellsa http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/how-stolen-credit-card-number-makes-cash-for-fraudster/#comment-99111 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:06:43 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=4039#comment-99111 Email me at [deleted] at yahoo dot com fro cheap cc

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Comment on Romanian beggars by Olav Vittiger http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/romanian-beggars/#comment-99104 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:38:07 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6481#comment-99104 Really, Bob? You have one main source in your article, a couple of Romanian cops, who quite likely are prejudiced against the Gypsies and lying through their teeth. “Romanian officials” are not known to be especially trustworthy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-cernea-clark/romania-in-crisis-police-_b_4446185.html
That story about throwing your kid under a car is really old. I first heard it in Kolkata a long time ago (Calcutta then, where the streets were absolutely packed with beggars and of course they were “lazy”, “immoral”, “thieves”, “maiming their babies” etc ).
You give the Swedes a hell of a lot of unsubstantiated flack too. The usual hogwash about them being naive and gullible. How about calling them generous and compassionate for a change? Because that is what a lot of them are, except the 10 % who are outright racist, of course.
That said, I don’t support begging, and I never give to beggars. I do give however, to a number of other causes. Call me a “lefty hippie” – I don’t care. Better than being a right-wing bigot.
The Roma in Europe need to get organized and start changing their situation. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen for a generation or sot. How do I know? Well, I don’t get my information from The Daily Mail and Reddit, that’s for sure. I can recommend Mike Walsh’s book Gypsy Boy for a good read on what it’s like to be of Roma origin in modern day Britain. I translated that book to Swedish, as I did Geek Love, actually. Funny you should mention that.
The Swedish Police are generally a pretty thick lot, but if it one thing they are really good at, it is tracking Gypsies. Even if you are only 1/8 Roma you can be pretty sure that the cops have you registered. Anyhow, they have tried for years to gather evidence of trafficking and organized begging, but really, that is NOT the case in Sweden. Maybe in Spain and Italy. Here in Sweden the European migrants, as we call them,are guilty of very little, if any, pickpocketing or other petty crimes. http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/polisen-sanningen-om-tiggarna-i-malmo/
The last part of your article, the interview with the Roma woman and her children actually supports what most Swedes, both police, journalists and ordinary folk, already know. The beggars are dirt poor people who have found a way to make some money. A couple who leave their kids with the grandparents can bring home maybe 20 000 SEK from three months begging in Sweden, and that will tide the whole extended family over the winter in the slums of Constanta or Bucharest.
You are not doing us or yourself any favors by spreading this kind of misinformation. I took the time to reply politely and I hope you can respect that.
“This community crosses time and space with its traditions, and we in Europe have trouble to integrate them,” Alain Behr, a lawyer who has defended the Roma, told The New York Times. “Yet they have preserved their tradition, which is one of survival.” /Olav, Katrineholm, Sweden

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Comment on Arlanda shopping trick—offensive by Pete http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/arlanda-shopping/#comment-98873 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 04:48:57 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6601#comment-98873 Happy you wrote about this, it’s very irritating and confusing.

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Comment on Wanna be a pickpocket ? by PickPocket in Training http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/to-be-a-pickpocket/#comment-97935 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:52:09 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=173#comment-97935 I want to be able to pickpocket really good but I need personal training so I know what moves I should do at different times so bob if you read this it would be good to email some tips I only use it for good and I already got about 50% of slight of hand because I have ben a magician for a long time so email calebjingle@yahoo.com please or just say hi please for me one of you biggest fans

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Comment on FedEx delivery failure – boxes fall off truck by yelm http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/fedex-delivery-failure/#comment-97835 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:40:38 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6622#comment-97835 shocking!

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Comment on How a stolen credit card number makes cash for a fraudster by Joe Hellsa http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/how-stolen-credit-card-number-makes-cash-for-fraudster/#comment-97030 Sat, 06 Dec 2014 08:37:36 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=4039#comment-97030 Email me @ [deleted] for cheap cc’s with cvv

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Comment on Arlanda shopping trick—offensive by Bambi Vincent http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/arlanda-shopping/#comment-96302 Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:40:49 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6601#comment-96302 Glad to see that you agree with me, Dianne. I will put on blinders and try to hold my tongue next time I’m in Sydney!

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Comment on Arlanda shopping trick—offensive by Dianne http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/arlanda-shopping/#comment-96276 Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:56:39 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6601#comment-96276 Your post really strikes a sore spot with me. The Sydney airport is the same way, I couldn’t even find my way out to the gates, I had to ask a store clerk where the exit was. Maddening. I never, ever buy anything in an airport duty-free shop. Why should I be forced into the store. Grrrrr.

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Comment on Arlanda shopping trick—offensive by yelm http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/arlanda-shopping/#comment-95842 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:14:49 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=6601#comment-95842 Has no one ever complained?

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Comment on How a stolen credit card number makes cash for a fraudster by Fam http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/how-stolen-credit-card-number-makes-cash-for-fraudster/#comment-95134 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:09:43 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=4039#comment-95134 BIGSY IN UK AND SCAMMER EMAIL ME A.S.A.P. PREVIOUS MESSAGE

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Comment on How a stolen credit card number makes cash for a fraudster by Fam http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/how-stolen-credit-card-number-makes-cash-for-fraudster/#comment-95133 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:03:36 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=4039#comment-95133 SCAMMER AND BIGSY IN UK EMAIL ME A.S.A.P. =LOK A PREVIOUS MESSAG

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Comment on How a stolen credit card number makes cash for a fraudster by Fam http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/how-stolen-credit-card-number-makes-cash-for-fraudster/#comment-95121 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:39:49 +0000 http://bobarno.com/thiefhunters/?p=4039#comment-95121 Bigsy IN UK HMU ASAP

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